>> how much credit can we take for curiosity and then take $5 billion away from jpl? those who created curiosity and made it happen. taking $5 billion away over the next five years. how much commitment is that the future. that is what i am arguing against. you know, we could give billions of dollars away to rescue a car company. and we will probably never get half of it back. but we can't find a little money here and there to re-create the technology it needs to challenge the future. neil: all right, so i don't want to leave you in a sticky position, but i want to leave you where you have seen every president -- i think since kennedy, right? you had a chance to meet with barack obama. if he were to come here, what would you tell him? >> if you gave me the time, sit down and talk like you and i are talking, i will tell him what i believe and why we do. do i think i could change his mind or agenda? probably not. i don't think he fully understands what traditional america is all about. because he didn't grow up here. i don't know that i can convince him why this is impor